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		<title>By: Miguel</title>
		<link>http://mparaz.wordpress.com/2007/10/13/the-future-of-web-startups-in-the-philippines/#comment-1269</link>
		<dc:creator>Miguel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for sharing the challenges, benc and Marie.

About &quot;Filipino investors would like a more active role in running the company and a larger equity stake&quot; - probably because money is harder to come by in the Philippines? Or because there of the undeveloped VC culture?

About mobile shortcodes, the operators really don&#039;t want to give them that easily for business reasons.

About Pinoy Web Startups, let&#039;s get the word out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for sharing the challenges, benc and Marie.</p>
<p>About &#8220;Filipino investors would like a more active role in running the company and a larger equity stake&#8221; &#8211; probably because money is harder to come by in the Philippines? Or because there of the undeveloped VC culture?</p>
<p>About mobile shortcodes, the operators really don&#8217;t want to give them that easily for business reasons.</p>
<p>About Pinoy Web Startups, let&#8217;s get the word out!</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Casas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie Casas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 08:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I look back and think about my freakishly high-paying job at a multinational, I go &quot;damn...&quot; but I&#039;m happy to be doing something and building a web startup from the ground up. Even if I have to take a pay cut for a while... probably a long while!

It&#039;s hard to find like-minded people when you want to develop a web product/service. My dad doesn&#039;t get it. He&#039;s probably thinking... what happened to the thousands of pesos they invested in my economics and accounting degrees??

It seems to me that Filipino investors would like a more active role in running the company and a larger equity stake. I don&#039;t think that&#039;s going to jive with the independent attitude needed to build a web startup here in the Philippines in the first place.

Plus, what&#039;s troublesome with incorporating a mobile component is the high costs of leasing those 4-digit access numbers like 2968 etc. Probably can&#039;t expect to derive revenue from that coz the telco and companies like Chikka or Information Gateway get the lion&#039;s share.

Help! Can you recommend other Pinoy web startups? I&#039;m trying to document the developments at www.pinoywebstartup.com (nothing up yet)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I look back and think about my freakishly high-paying job at a multinational, I go &#8220;damn&#8230;&#8221; but I&#8217;m happy to be doing something and building a web startup from the ground up. Even if I have to take a pay cut for a while&#8230; probably a long while!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s hard to find like-minded people when you want to develop a web product/service. My dad doesn&#8217;t get it. He&#8217;s probably thinking&#8230; what happened to the thousands of pesos they invested in my economics and accounting degrees??</p>
<p>It seems to me that Filipino investors would like a more active role in running the company and a larger equity stake. I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s going to jive with the independent attitude needed to build a web startup here in the Philippines in the first place.</p>
<p>Plus, what&#8217;s troublesome with incorporating a mobile component is the high costs of leasing those 4-digit access numbers like 2968 etc. Probably can&#8217;t expect to derive revenue from that coz the telco and companies like Chikka or Information Gateway get the lion&#8217;s share.</p>
<p>Help! Can you recommend other Pinoy web startups? I&#8217;m trying to document the developments at <a href="http://www.pinoywebstartup.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.pinoywebstartup.com</a> (nothing up yet)</p>
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		<title>By: benc (cryptonomikon)</title>
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		<dc:creator>benc (cryptonomikon)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 05:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Migz, it&#039;s good you started this discussion on pinoy startups. When I met up Malou Mangahas at GMA network (she&#039;s my former boss at Manila Times) early this year, she referred to me as one of the Brown Technopreneurs -- as opposed to the Chinoys who had the funds to start up and sustain their own companies. I guess kami nina Minic ito hehe.

It jolted me to relize that *this* is one major problem I had as a startup techie -- lack of capital and lack of access to financing.

I am virtually nobody in Pinas. I was born from a lower-to-mid middle class family. We had no property to speak of. My father is an OFW and my mother is a seamstress and they were both in debt. Banks and financial insti&#039;s would not lend me money (I had trouble as it was trying to open a company bank account!).

The Pinoy system is stacked against startups in general. It&#039;s something i&#039;ve tried to wrestel with and continue to struggle with even as I run Digitall Solutions (http://digitalsolutions.ph).

We have great ideas but we can&#039;t spend time working with them because we are buried with bread-and-butter projects. If we pause to prioritize the R&amp;D, it means paying for salaries without bringing in revenues to sustain us. Classic &quot;isang kahig, isang tuka&quot; or hand-to-mouth existence that we Pinoys are heir to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Migz, it&#8217;s good you started this discussion on pinoy startups. When I met up Malou Mangahas at GMA network (she&#8217;s my former boss at Manila Times) early this year, she referred to me as one of the Brown Technopreneurs &#8212; as opposed to the Chinoys who had the funds to start up and sustain their own companies. I guess kami nina Minic ito hehe.</p>
<p>It jolted me to relize that *this* is one major problem I had as a startup techie &#8212; lack of capital and lack of access to financing.</p>
<p>I am virtually nobody in Pinas. I was born from a lower-to-mid middle class family. We had no property to speak of. My father is an OFW and my mother is a seamstress and they were both in debt. Banks and financial insti&#8217;s would not lend me money (I had trouble as it was trying to open a company bank account!).</p>
<p>The Pinoy system is stacked against startups in general. It&#8217;s something i&#8217;ve tried to wrestel with and continue to struggle with even as I run Digitall Solutions (<a href="http://digitalsolutions.ph)" rel="nofollow">http://digitalsolutions.ph)</a>.</p>
<p>We have great ideas but we can&#8217;t spend time working with them because we are buried with bread-and-butter projects. If we pause to prioritize the R&amp;D, it means paying for salaries without bringing in revenues to sustain us. Classic &#8220;isang kahig, isang tuka&#8221; or hand-to-mouth existence that we Pinoys are heir to.</p>
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		<title>By: Here i go again&#8230; &#171; Neidermeyer&#8217;s Mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Here i go again&#8230; &#171; Neidermeyer&#8217;s Mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 16:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: luis</title>
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		<dc:creator>luis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Oct 2007 09:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one of syndeomedia&#039;s overarching goals is to bring together local talent to build online applications that are globally competitive. it&#039;s a tricky proposition, and there&#039;s a lot of trial-and-error involved, but i do think that we&#039;re ever-so-slowly moving towards something that i (or ideally, we) can be proud of. i can&#039;t give a lot of details regarding precisely what we&#039;re putting together, but i am optimistic.

we don&#039;t have the kind of financial backing that this kind of experimentation would usually require, so we&#039;re building out our ideas on revenue generated from client-work. the consequence is that any targets we have take 4-5 times longer to achieve, simply because we can&#039;t focus exclusively on it. but that&#039;s not entirely a bad thing either all things considered, because Lord knows we need more real-world experience to really get this right, and often times, being forced to work on other people&#039;s projects is the best way to learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one of syndeomedia&#8217;s overarching goals is to bring together local talent to build online applications that are globally competitive. it&#8217;s a tricky proposition, and there&#8217;s a lot of trial-and-error involved, but i do think that we&#8217;re ever-so-slowly moving towards something that i (or ideally, we) can be proud of. i can&#8217;t give a lot of details regarding precisely what we&#8217;re putting together, but i am optimistic.</p>
<p>we don&#8217;t have the kind of financial backing that this kind of experimentation would usually require, so we&#8217;re building out our ideas on revenue generated from client-work. the consequence is that any targets we have take 4-5 times longer to achieve, simply because we can&#8217;t focus exclusively on it. but that&#8217;s not entirely a bad thing either all things considered, because Lord knows we need more real-world experience to really get this right, and often times, being forced to work on other people&#8217;s projects is the best way to learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 09:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, entrepreneurship in general is a good trend. Even tech entrepreneurship has been making some noise lately - and will hopefully become more than that!

Good luck with Project X!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, entrepreneurship in general is a good trend. Even tech entrepreneurship has been making some noise lately &#8211; and will hopefully become more than that!</p>
<p>Good luck with Project X!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Limjap</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Limjap</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 05:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think part of the problem is that there isn&#039;t enough encouragement, or rather, the culture does not exist where entrepreneurship and honing one&#039;s business acumen is encourage.

However I see a growing trend nowadays where entrepreneurship IS picking up in the traditional sectors. This, in turn, will start generating demand and market for technical products, hopefully fulfilling your enterprise-centric dream for the future. :)

This is something I&#039;m going to take up in the near future, and I do have a business-centric &quot;Project X&quot; in mind, which I&#039;ll do with a partner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think part of the problem is that there isn&#8217;t enough encouragement, or rather, the culture does not exist where entrepreneurship and honing one&#8217;s business acumen is encourage.</p>
<p>However I see a growing trend nowadays where entrepreneurship IS picking up in the traditional sectors. This, in turn, will start generating demand and market for technical products, hopefully fulfilling your enterprise-centric dream for the future. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/face-smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>This is something I&#8217;m going to take up in the near future, and I do have a business-centric &#8220;Project X&#8221; in mind, which I&#8217;ll do with a partner.</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 21:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the rare combination: that&#039;s something I came across writing my &lt;a href=&quot;http://paraz.com/145/career-guidance-for-todays-pinoy-tech-graduates/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;career guidance for Pinoy tech graduates&lt;/a&gt;. Scott Adams wrote about &lt;a href=&quot;http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2007/07/career-advice.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;being good at at two or more things&lt;/a&gt; instead of trying to be the best at one.

I myself am not a money person. Well, I&#039;m not bad at finance, but I would rather focus on the tech 100%. So these posts I make - it&#039;s more like convincing other people to do it! In my &lt;a href=&quot;http://paraz.com/143/product-and-technology-innovation/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;product and technology innovation post&lt;/a&gt;, I admit that I couldn&#039;t think of an original idea (so far) and am just focusing on the tech right now.

About the pandesal culture, I admit I&#039;m guilty of that when I say, where are the Pinoy Facebook apps? (among other things) when it might just be a Filipino clone implementation of something foreign.

About mobile, that&#039;s where I&#039;m working now, but in employee mode. Big telcos as incubators? I&#039;m not sure about that, they aren&#039;t the best in &quot;new ideas&quot; and they often outsource new stuff to other firms.

Our IT industry as enterprise-computing  centric? I wish it were! From my point of view, it seems game/entertainment-obsessed! (Apologies to the game developers).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the rare combination: that&#8217;s something I came across writing my <a href="http://paraz.com/145/career-guidance-for-todays-pinoy-tech-graduates/" rel="nofollow">career guidance for Pinoy tech graduates</a>. Scott Adams wrote about <a href="http://dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2007/07/career-advice.html" rel="nofollow">being good at at two or more things</a> instead of trying to be the best at one.</p>
<p>I myself am not a money person. Well, I&#8217;m not bad at finance, but I would rather focus on the tech 100%. So these posts I make &#8211; it&#8217;s more like convincing other people to do it! In my <a href="http://paraz.com/143/product-and-technology-innovation/" rel="nofollow">product and technology innovation post</a>, I admit that I couldn&#8217;t think of an original idea (so far) and am just focusing on the tech right now.</p>
<p>About the pandesal culture, I admit I&#8217;m guilty of that when I say, where are the Pinoy Facebook apps? (among other things) when it might just be a Filipino clone implementation of something foreign.</p>
<p>About mobile, that&#8217;s where I&#8217;m working now, but in employee mode. Big telcos as incubators? I&#8217;m not sure about that, they aren&#8217;t the best in &#8220;new ideas&#8221; and they often outsource new stuff to other firms.</p>
<p>Our IT industry as enterprise-computing  centric? I wish it were! From my point of view, it seems game/entertainment-obsessed! (Apologies to the game developers).</p>
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		<title>By: mdy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 14:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Migz:

Other barriers that come to mind -- It&#039;s rare to find that critical combination of business acumen and technical smarts in a single person.

Not all technical people know (or are interested in learning) how to run a business, much less keep it afloat.

I&#039;ve lost track of the number of people I&#039;ve met who have great technical minds, but have no clue how to manage something as basic as their credit card debt.

If I were an investor, I&#039;d be wary of leaving the running of the business to someone who can&#039;t handle money.

Also, there&#039;s the fact that we live in a &quot;pandesal&quot; culture -- you know, that phenomenon where once a pandesal store opens on your street, you&#039;ll soon find half a dozen other pandesal stores on that same street (how else did we end up with auto shops galore on Banawe in Quezon City?).

It&#039;s just too easy to give into the temptation of replicating someone else&#039;s business model, rather than being innovative and offering something new and valuable.

And if you&#039;re a me-too web startup with no ability to innovate, you&#039;ll never be #1 in your category. You&#039;ll just be playing catch-up all the time.

It seems to me that we&#039;re more likely to produce successful mobile-tech startups rather than web startups, simply because the local mobile industry is a thriving, cash-rich business.

Plus we&#039;re a country where there are far more cellphones in active use than computers with internet access.

Thus, a web startup with no mobile component would have a severely limited local market vs. a mobile startup.

IMHO, the big telcos are in a good position to become mobile VCs or to be incubators of mobile startups, because they have ample cash and they&#039;re eager to expand their value-added service offerings. Plus they can provide business or management guidance to young firms.

It would definitely be nice to see Philippine startups succeed in the web and/or mobile space, and add some excitement to our very enterprise-computing-centric IT industry. 8-)

Cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Migz:</p>
<p>Other barriers that come to mind &#8212; It&#8217;s rare to find that critical combination of business acumen and technical smarts in a single person.</p>
<p>Not all technical people know (or are interested in learning) how to run a business, much less keep it afloat.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve lost track of the number of people I&#8217;ve met who have great technical minds, but have no clue how to manage something as basic as their credit card debt.</p>
<p>If I were an investor, I&#8217;d be wary of leaving the running of the business to someone who can&#8217;t handle money.</p>
<p>Also, there&#8217;s the fact that we live in a &#8220;pandesal&#8221; culture &#8212; you know, that phenomenon where once a pandesal store opens on your street, you&#8217;ll soon find half a dozen other pandesal stores on that same street (how else did we end up with auto shops galore on Banawe in Quezon City?).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just too easy to give into the temptation of replicating someone else&#8217;s business model, rather than being innovative and offering something new and valuable.</p>
<p>And if you&#8217;re a me-too web startup with no ability to innovate, you&#8217;ll never be #1 in your category. You&#8217;ll just be playing catch-up all the time.</p>
<p>It seems to me that we&#8217;re more likely to produce successful mobile-tech startups rather than web startups, simply because the local mobile industry is a thriving, cash-rich business.</p>
<p>Plus we&#8217;re a country where there are far more cellphones in active use than computers with internet access.</p>
<p>Thus, a web startup with no mobile component would have a severely limited local market vs. a mobile startup.</p>
<p>IMHO, the big telcos are in a good position to become mobile VCs or to be incubators of mobile startups, because they have ample cash and they&#8217;re eager to expand their value-added service offerings. Plus they can provide business or management guidance to young firms.</p>
<p>It would definitely be nice to see Philippine startups succeed in the web and/or mobile space, and add some excitement to our very enterprise-computing-centric IT industry. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/face-cool.png' alt='8-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: Miguel Paraz /Migs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Career Guidance for Today&#8217;s Pinoy Tech Graduates</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miguel Paraz /Migs &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Career Guidance for Today&#8217;s Pinoy Tech Graduates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 12:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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